let's talk about the debt ceiling debate. we are all focused on this week and the president has been talking about it. what is your view on whether spending cuts should be part of the debt ceiling debate? i think that would be a serious mistake. i'm a republican, i have been so since i voted for ike in 1962 and let me tell you ie mistake. you are not talking about one thing that has to do with cutting spending. you're talking about everything and he paying your debts of the guys in the congress talk about an republican republicans drama. and every one of them has something to do with wanting ... and now you have to pay it. and you better pay and where your country is clearly facing a dire consequences. it shows that you don't give a whit about who's president. >> do you agree with the president and you think that we are risking what? a selloff in the market? 2001. >> what's going to happen if it comes to the worst case scenario here? >> somebody will say, don't forget, we all $16.4 trillion. half of that is owned by private p